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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 521 Newer› Newest»That is why Mr. Casso wanted to bring in an outside third party to decide.
I do like the Lakewood Financials better. Maybe that is why our best of the three city managers left to go there?
no offense, but we don't like the new Brighton logo.
Commerce City can not prevent a business from doing business. I am all for the Medical Waste Treatment Facility. It is already deemed safe by Tri-County.
Commerce City needs to stop pulling the welcome mat out from the feet of the private business sector!
No sales tax increase this year for Commerce City THANK GOD. It really would have interfered with the 27J mill initiative.
Thank you COMMERCE CITY STAFF!
I am all for the medical marijuana excise tax! 10%, 20%, hell make it 50%. It will drive them back to Denver/Boulder/Jefferson County.
CC employees a union?
Look at this and tell me if you think it is good for Commerce City?
ALL GLOOM AND DOOM? You Decide!
http://www.afscme.org/
Also,
why do we even need a union in CC?
are the employees upset?
are they not being treated fairly?
usually you can't unionize happy employees, so why a union in CC?
does Brighton or Thornton have unionized employees?
Commerce City Council Discusses 2011 Ballot Initiative for a 10% Excise Tax on all Medical Marijuana Sales in the City, Wholesale and Retail
AFSCME "We not only stand for fairness at the bargaining table — we fight for fairness in our communities and in the halls of government."
If Commerce City is fair, why do they need someone to "fight" for them?
I have no reason in the world to think Commerce City is not fair.
The city has been fine for decades without a call for unions, why all of a sudden this needs to be done?
So sad.
Good points about the union in Commerce City, but it is more about having a voice and not really a fight.
We ever going to see what economic development ever came out of ICSC Vegas? Or is this just another one of those things we sweep under the rug?
ICSC is your partner in profitability? So where is our profit?
FOX31: Brighton firefighter may have violated no contact order...
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As an "instant" society. We have a 90 second drive thru' mentality.
With so much red tape, between company decisions, regulations, loans etc. All planning takes a long long time.
Road expansions, business expansion, etc takes years. So BOR you will not get your instant results. We all wish things moved quicker.
King Soopers has been worked on by city reps for years. They are finally ready to start (I won't cheer until I see a bulldozer moving dirt).
It just isn't a snap your fingers, drive thru' developement mentality.
Talked to Tracey Snyder last night before the meeting-she was watching the redistricting discussions all day yesterday. She said she was disturbed by Karl Hoops testimony that House District 32 be divided at 64th to create a minority majority district. What the hell does that mean Karl???
You need a union in CC because the City Manager hires countless unnecessary high paying positions with car allowances that reduces the available funding for positions that are actually needed and compensation to those positions that are actually needed - not to mention the waste of tax payer money all of his made up B.S. positions cost that could be going to services or amenities to us citizens north or south- GN did a great story about other similar cities in the area with no assistants but more responsibility for their City Managers - please re-read it - Dusty can you please re-post it. If Managers and supervisors could join the union as well - they probably would because you never know how the next scheme Flannery comes up with to hire God knows who to do what will affect their job they have been doing and doing well for a long time. I have several close friends who are long time City employees who are praying for a change, and some order and integrity in the City Manager Offices.
Not to beat an obvious dead horse: how does this city explain all the recreational projects in the south when the average tax paid is 600 dollars from homeowners in south CC vs 2700 dollars for home owners in the north who get nothing from CC but an unreadable city paper and a few laughs from Denver Post readers.
there are more homes in north commerce city too.
Seems like those dumb "smart" people are getting all they can from the north residents before we bail into another city or form our own.
Where are our representatives on city council and why are they NOT fighting for us???
I want results not rhetoric - leave that crap in the house and senate.
Too stupid to understand
Unfortunately, this is a sign of our times in that the city asks citizen's for input and when citizens do participate and give input then those that asked for it, don't really want to hear it. Ed Purlmutter meets citizens in grocery stores (Congress on a Corner.) and carefully writes down what they say. Why do certain members of CC feel they have all the answers? Telling citizens, "They lack the sophistication to fully understand what is being presented." Is another why of saying citizens are too stupid to process information. This is another form of representative government in that we are supposed to elect or hire city representatives and let them run the government without being responsible to the citizens that hired them or put them into office.
A Mexican Cartel smuggled 45,000 lbs. of Marijuana into a warehouse in CC. Was this in anticipation of new Medical Marijuana sales in CC and surrounding areas?
Everyone!!
You need to look at the breakdown of your property tax bill.
The portion that actually goes to the city of Commerce City, averages about $50.00, per year, per house.
The rest goes to schools, fire, special metro districts (such as Reunion, for their parks, rec center etc) and gid repayments, library, RTD, water district and so on.
Don't assume that what you pay on your house taxes go to the city.
Try calling Waste Management and find out what it would cost to have your trash picked up.
p.s. the south part of the city has been there about 50 yrs, they have gotten a few amenities in the last 10.
Stop complaining and whining.
You don't like your property tax now, deannex and see what happens then.
Commerce City Mayor Natale requests apology from Denver POST reporter for "Stinky City" Comment, Natale: We are NOT that same city any more.
gid is not city?
Kaarl Hoopes is a very interesting person.
He made the judge during darr case very upset.
to "Not to beat an obvious dead horse"
We like your comment very much. We are on the SAME PAGE!
VERY DISTURBING ABOUT ADAMS COUNTY SHERIFF!
UNREAL!
HOPE QUICK THROWS THE BOOK AT HIM
good for mayor to ask for apology from lynn.
We are NOT the same city.
It hurts when you do all this work and then someone just puts you down, especially someone from the post
Kid with broken jaw from sheriff will get a nice pay day.
Someone needs to take a serious look at Adams County.
Not a very nice place to be lately.
No more Thugs in ALL of Adams County including Brighton!
No the GID is not city.
It is money that repays whoever put in the roads etc in that area, usually the developer, certainly not the city.
Amen- finally - right on Anonymous - we pay almost nothing to CC in property taxes -and if we don't shop here we pay even less. The City can't make retailers build so please stay off that stupid subject. QUIT wining North people - you bought your house, did not check where it was and now you want everything - you bought because it was cheaper than everywhere else around and now you want everything - wake up you are all in a dream world - it will be along time before we get retail, roads and parks in the north and we will have to PAY for them if we want them check out Long Range Financial Meeting with Council-the truth is the City has spent more on the north than it has collected in funds from the north and the City has no money to do anything - Wake Up and Pay Attention!
so gid is there just to "build" the city, not the city.
Got it.
No doubt Commerce City is officially 2 cities.
North upset because there is nothing, getting ready to check out (exactly what city was afraid of, their words)
South sick of whining newland citizens.
As soon as we start believing we are two cities, is the time we all lose.
We are all Commerce City. I am and you are. We all are Commerce City.
Divided we will fail.
United we will stand and be successful.
I think Commerce City has done a big campaign on the "one city" concept.
To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.
Curious in Reunion.
No city makes money from it's residents.
It provides services to them and obviously wants residents, but having said that:
the roads that allow homes to be built are paid for by the builder, who passes that cost on the purchaser of the home.
Builders don't "eat" costs, so yes you pay for the initial cost for the road in front of your home as well as the water lines, and power to your home.
Try building in the country or mountains, you will pay those costs.
Anyone buying a home should look around, find out where the stores are, find out what special tax districts they will pay into, don't take the salesman's info as gospel.
Educate yourself.
I checked in to "checking out" such as annexing to Brighton.
We in the north would have to pay back to CC, everything they have spent to develope the north.
The city no doubt would not allow a 20 or 30 yr pay back. Thus the costs would be enormous.
Each home would have to incure a payment of thousands to CC in a lump sum.
Also, was told that Brighton has no interest in taking north CC.
When the city manager pays back the $450,000+ on September 1, city council can use the money for a project in northern Commerce City such as completing a park early. There should be something the community gets out of this.
Thank you Mayor Natale and Mayor Pro Tem Snyder for going to the Adams County Planning Commission meeting today! We know you care and that you are standing by us against this Waste Treament Facility!
"The city no doubt would not allow a 20 or 30 yr pay back."
Commerce City may not have a choice. Citizens will always win out. If no money until 20 to 30 years, then so be it.
Further, GID paid for it, not Commerce City. Therefore, Commerce City can not ask to be paid back for anything.
And Yes, Brighton would take the northern range.
The Northern Range is now about eleven to ten years old depending where you live. With each build-out the city collects standard building (.05) and Park Impact Fees (.09) that go into a special fund. And, for the Northern Range that build-out period was years ago. These funds are then moved by City Council for different projects throughout the city. For these past years, mainly the Core City area. Several years ago, a survey was mailed out to ask which improvements were wanted in the Northern Range. Since, Reunion already had enough Parks and Recreation and they were the greatest majority, they voted for more trails. A few miles of trail, depending on the surface can cost above one million dollars. Parks and Recreation uses a mixture of Federal Grant and match money from these funds for trails in the Northern Range. It costs about $450,000 for a small park and upwards into one million depending on the area size and use facilities. So, it was a survey choice years ago that directed city spending. In 2011, we need a new survey and different choices as we have doubled and tripled in size and needs. If, we have the money and Grants for trails, we have the money for Parks and Recreation in the Northern Range. To those Core City residents that anonymously call the Northern Range whiners remember it is our money that built your new parks, etc. The Core City has not had a build-out for about 30 to 40 years.
Commerce City gets paid back for what? Taxes that citizens gave to them? Makes no sense. Commerce City did not produce anything, the tax dollars did. Commerce City would have no right to ask for any money.
who says we have to be part of Brighton, why not Denver or Thornton?
North would have to pay back Commerce City? Not how this works. It would go to the vote of the people. If it would pass then that is it, north gets de-annexed.
I get more of the feeling that South would vote to get rid of the North then the south would.
Wait! what happened here. I thought the idea was to become one big city ADAMS CITY both Brighton and Commerce City together.
This is a much better idea, then we could really compete with surrounding areas.
This brings up an interesting point. What if the Historic part of Commerce City puts on the ballot that they no longer want the north and it becomes successful?
Do we in north still have to pay back Commerce City?
Interesting point Thad, but to be honest I think none of this will ever happen. Commerce City will just continue being Commerce City and time will march on.
Different subject: Thanks to all who are fighting against the Medical Waste Treatment Facility that will eventually be in Commerce City.
Amen, Ollie
Waste Treatment Facility is a bad idea for Commerce City, would hurt the surrounding residents. And what about the near by river?
No to Waste Treatment Facility in Adams County aka Future COMMERCE CITY!
Estelle Remington,
I live in the n. range and find myself very happy with all the parks available. Granted I live in Reunion. But still very very happy with my area.
If the south don't have parks like what we do up here. I say spend the money down there.
I am going to take a entirely different approach on the proposed medical facility that seems to be such a pressing issue.
I say let them build. It has been too often that Commerce City tries to bully business that they do not want in their city limits. It happened with NASCAR (ordinance telling them where they can go), it just happened with the Medical Marijuana Business (proposed 10% excise tax). And now it is happening with this treatment facility (council against it).
I am sorry that not all business can be cherry creek type businesses but we have a strong industrial base and we need to build on that. This proposed medical treatment facility fits in. And the fact that it is already deemed safe by tri-county tells me more then I need to know that it will be okay and not a danger to people or water supply.
Commerce City needs to take a long look at themselves and stop yanking the welcome mat out from the business communities feet.
You do it enough and business community is going to take note not to do business in Commerce City because they are not a business-friendly city.
Find out facts before you shut the door on business. Especially in these times.
in short, I am for letting the medical treatment facility come to Commerce City and DO BUSINESS!
If anything cc will be paying the north citizens. cc has shown favor in the south which can be proven in open court. They have taken more in taxes from home owners and builders in north cc than spent on infrastructure.
basically take the amount spent in the south and what was received from home owners compare that against what northerners pay and what they receive and we have a cause of action...
Shea homes spent more money on roads than the city.
The city spent more money putting up signs in the north trying to take credit for the builders accomplished landscaping projects than providing parks and recreation for our children.
We need to ask Denver or Brighton to annex us into their city because cc's focus is not here in north cc.
They continue to fail trying to compete with Stapleton's North field and its continuance to separate cc by mexican vs US citizen in language, customs and or north vs south by failure to act on our needs.
Commerce City have no right to try and get money from North if they want to de-annex. They are part of a GID. GID would just be assumed by another city.
Make no mistake, Brighton or Denver would be interested in us.
Of course the CC council is the GID board, they would have to resign.
Commerce City can't ask for money from people who paid for it in the first place with fees and taxes! Are you nuts!
VERY good point by thad: "What if the Historic part of Commerce City puts on the ballot that they no longer want the north and it becomes successful?
Do we in north still have to pay back Commerce City?"
What if Newlands we FORCED DE-ANNEXED? Commerce City then going to come after us for a double dip?
Think there was an opinion in Your Hub about this exact topic today.
is that a "fuel pad" on the kings soopers map?!?!
ALL RIGHT!!!!
I understand that north CC wants development. But, the old Adams City High School area is also in desperate need of a plan of action.
Bottom Line is that we have a lot of work to do in Commerce City.
The District (GID) has the authority to issue bonds, subject to a vote of the eligible electors within the District. Such bonds are not under any circumstances being held to be an indebtedness, obligation or liability of the City of Commerce City.
Medical Waste Treatment Facility:
Comment from Denver Post:
"Nice to see the south side of Commerce City getting a taste of what the northern part of the City endured when everyone was gung ho about building the Nascar Race Track within a mile of our front doors. Karma!"
Medical Waste proposal:
Meeting to be held at Werth Manor, July 25th 5:30pm.
I am against this for a number of reasons, ( I don't live near it)
We don't need another toxic business dumped in or even near (as in this case) our city.
They will have all types of "infectious material", that will be "cleaned" and sent for disposal.
If any body waste is brought in, it will properly sent for burial.
Really??
Another problem, and another reason for people to laugh at us?
This area is in our growth boundaries.
I am concerned that Adams county board members don't care about our city.
p.s. this is across the highway from Thornton's water reservoirs.
Business owners from Littleton etc.
of course!! Put it near your homes!
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Once again Estelle you have it all mixed up and you are spreading in accurate information - please run for Council so you can be held accountable for what you say.
Why is it that the people who attack Estelle on here always sign their comments "Anonymous"?
Denver cannot annex us at the current time. I believe their city limits are fixed at the moment (Stapleton was a one time exception and they basically owned the airport land anyway.) I haven't sat down and looked at a map to see if there is any part of Thornton contiguous to the CC borders.
Those saying that Brighton stated they don't want us - I'd be curious to see your sources.
Never say never.
And people in Reunion, don't comment on parks in the North Range. Yes we are lucky that we have our own metro district that provides parks - many in the rest of the range have to rely on CC for parks. There are pretty few parks provided and maintained by the city in the Range.
Finally, I also wonder if those "for" the medical waste business actually live near it at all? Why does CC have to become the dumping ground for the metro Denver area?
Look who just moved into Commerce City!
The Style Studio, 17323 E 104th Way - hairstylist
Emily's Shoes, 6135 E 72nd Ave - shoe & accessory store
Complete Auto Electric Mobile Service, 10454 Pitkin St - mobile auto electrical service & repair
The Wax Shoppe, 16044 E 107th Pl - skin care
Wreck-A-Mend, 5245 E 69th Ave - truck & trailer repair
Nore's Custom Inc, 5590 Locust St - sales of new & used tires & accessories
New Expressions Event Center, 5155 E 64th Ave - event center
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@Pro City - quit putting up business names with NO PHONE NUMBERS. Most of the businesses you put up are at home addresses and we can't just show up at someone's house and walk in. And go back and give us the phone numbers for the other businesses you put up the last few months.
I would love to see how much interest there is in the north to separate from commerce city.
Let's face it, cc was not prepared and didn't expect so many to move into the northern enclave.
I bet most are tired of the lack of sophistication of our city management. Tired of paying for outsiders (consultant firms) to make decisions and observations we hired city council and city managers to make. Want to know what people think of cc, just ask someone what's synonymous with stinky town or other unflattering monikers.
If we're not 2 distinct cities why are you causing the rift printing spanish for south cc and English for the north citizens. That will only ensure to the people and outsiders that we have nothing in common and separate. Learn from Brighton, Denver and Thornton who have a huge hispanic populace. One language -one community!!!
We've improved over the past 5 years however outside of waste facilities or other industrial polluters we can't seem to attract anything else because of the cc name/association.
Laughable will be the grand opening of King Soopers on Chambers when city council tries to take credit for Shea's work. the city just stuck their tail between their legs and just rubber stamped the approval. Will also be funny when council members living in south cc shops in the north.
Estelle, Please run...or become the first mayor of our new city.
Accountable
Anonymous, my question to you is, "How come I know this stuff and you don't?" Obviously, we don't meet and talk to the same people. I hold myself accountable for what I say as everything has been carefully documented. As for City Council holding me accountable, first of all, they must hold themselves accountable for what they do and say! In years past, it was for thousands of taxpayer dollars for expense travel and meals/wine from taxpayer dollars with former Mayor Sean Ford's City Council. Today, it is about half-million dollars on the City Manager's taxpayer's house and Bonus with Kristi Douglas acting as Realtor and earning a very large selling fee and supplying the rental for 36 days and food supplies for another $4,000 dollars. So, who holds you accountable?
Not my OPINION but FACT:
There will NEVER be a "Adams City" scenario where Brighton and Commerce City come together as one big pie in the sky county seat.
The New Lands will never De-Annex from Commerce City proper!
All talk, will NEVER NEVER happen.
the thing is with Estelle Remington is that she does her homework. More then the average citizen. I am willing to bet most residents, yes residents not all are citizens do not really care about details. People just really do not care unless it has some impact on them personally.
Examples-NASCAR, Adams County Medical Waste Treatment, Xcel pipeline.
VERY IMPORTANT! COME AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR COMMUNITY! WE ARE NO LONGER THE DUMPSTER OF THE DENVER METRO AREA!
Medical Waste proposal:
Meeting to be held at Werth Manor, Commerce City, CO
July 25th 5:30pm.
Dear Thornton, Denver or Brighton,
Please make us part of your City. We have many roads to be built, parks to be built and other basic infrastructure (A billion dollars worth according to our Finance Director) - BUT we pay very little in taxes to the City and have no retail or commercial or industrial to create revenue to make all these improvements - so please do it even though it will cost you a lot of money but not make you any money- WAKE UP PEOPLE -NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN - Again, the stupidity of some of you is beyond belief.
P.S. we don't want to pay any more in taxes either -just in case that matters
Estelle does do her homework - it is the grade she gets on the assignments that are of concern - she mixes everything up and often (not always but often)provides grossly inaccurate information.
Sorry it is a fact - take some of her recent writings with claims with figures,policies , etc and then go verify them factually with the official source and you will see what I mean.
Estelle,
I have heard some of the same complaints before about wasting tax payers dollars.
Having said that, I am very concerned about the lack of choices for a new mayor for the Nov election.
I am worried that we will go back to the expensive meals (for families of the city elected)as well as other personal expenses.
The Ford family connection is an old one that I would prefer not be brought to life again.
Is no one willing to step up, or will Ford just walk into this position?
I would love to, but family obligations will not allow me the time commitment.
GN,
whats up with 104th? Can't go on it.
No word from CC OEM or CC.
Dusty,
I think there is some issue on 104th. Road looks all jacked up.
A section of 104th between Reunion Dr. and Landmark Dr. buckled, possibly from the heat. Road Failure is not related to power outages. Most likely both were caused by the heat.
What kind of cheap ass contractor did we hire where new street cant handle the heat on a couple of summers?
Commerce City OEM was all over when the power was out in derby, why not the same for the north range?
maybe if the people in n. range would pay more taxes they would get tweets from Commerce City oem about what is going on!
so commerce city will go crazy for tornadoes, but will not let any tweet updates on power out and a buckled truck route?
Any way we can blame xcel for broken 104th avenue!!!!!!!!!!!!? :}
your all just damn lucky commerce city came out on a sunday to fix it. you all dont pay any taxes, spending all your money in brighton.
why not call them to fix your road.
It was only on the 90s today. Forecast calls for triple digits. Will more roads in newlands buckle?
Commerce City needs to be consistent with communication. I do follow the Commerce City OEM and there was nothing about this event on Sunday. I also follow Commerce City twitter and facebook and there again was nothing about this. If you are going to use social media then you need to be either all in or not at all.
Lack of consistent information can be down right dangerous.
Secondly,
If Commerce City is going to have a emergency beacon on their website, then you better use in a emergency.
Throughout all the supposed tornadoes in Commerce City, it was never activated. Is a "funnel cloud" not an emergency?
From Commerce City Website: What the "Emergency Alert" Color Means
When the light is green, no emergency conditions exist in the City at this time.
When the light is red or flashing red, an emergency condition exists in the City at this time.
hey Wes,
again, if you want more services from the city? Then stop leaking your tax dollars into Brighton.
give comm. city a break it was a sunday.
A regional paranormal group is looking for anyone who has experienced re-occurring paranormal activity in their house.
The group would like to come in and document the experience.
more information email me...
dustin.mcintyre@yahoo.com
Please run for Mayor Estelle!
from United Power: "The outage in Commerce City is believed to have been caused by a sinkhole on 104th between Reunion Parkway and Landmark. We know we have two major feeders located underground in this location."
So who do they blame the GID or the city?
problem with Commerce City is that are too many cooks in the kitchen. No one knows who is responsible for what.
It is surprising that no a word form OEM or CC on this break in the road.
maybe they forgot about us?
Hey PRO CITY,
I have a "NEW" business who just moved in!
My neighbor is thinking about doing AVON, does that count?
Dicks Sporting Goods is really a Commerce City Partner?
Look at this: http://www.dickssportinggoodspark.com/Stadium/NewsDetails.aspx?NID=294
ALL STAPLETON PLACES, NOT ONE IN COMMERCE CITY.
+1 on Estelle's grades if her homework is verified... From an educated source that talks with the staff of CC and watches council meetings ( unfortunately their grades are not so good either especially if the topic is something they approved more than a month or two ago!), and reads the actual sources and documents...
HOWEVER, by all means keep up the entertaining posts that give some of us a good chuckle, I have learned to read them sparingly to avoid bashing my head against the wall!
Yuri- Amen brother or sister - not only too many cooks in the kitchen - they pay all of those cooks like executive chefs. We could sure use all of that money to do something for the citizens north or south or both - north and south need to be united that a serious change in paid leadership needs to be the first thing to change in this City! where is King Soopers? They will never meet that schedule in the agreement - I work in construction -trust me they are nowhere near ready to build anything out there.
Yuri - very funny about Avon. City can't justify 3 high paid positions in Eco Devo Dept unless they report every 2 bit fly by night business with 2 employees that also happen to be the owners of the business - and as always they never report who went out of business or who moved their business out of the City
Correction?
Please, tell me specifically what information you feel was not correct and I will do my best to correct it for you! Except for any information coming out of Adams 14 SD. I feel the information and data coming out of Adams 14 is grossly manipulated and there is no way to know the truth. Only time will reveal the truth of what is really going on there.
It was so nice to see David Stallsworth at the city council meeting. He is what CC is all about. He doesn't say much, but, when he does, you really want to listen. God Bless you, Estelle
Estelle, seriously???
Actually Gene L did a better job talking, when he spoke about the waste facility!!
If David Stallsworth is what CC is all about, well all I can say is, no wonder we have an image problem!
I enjoyed listening to Jason put Benson in his place.
So good to finally see and hear Benson confronted about his stupidity (which is evident consistantly).
Thank God we have another choice this fall.
The Council meeting last night was terrible. I cannot believe that this is what we are going to be left with in November!
Rene sits up there talking about commercials that have naked women in them. Nothing new there. Some of us have not forgotten his behavior the last time he was on Council-bringing porn magazines to the Study Session from Vegas and throwing them onto the Council roundtable! And yet we re-elected him!
In fighting with Jim Benson who goes off on his tangents wanting things that have not even been looked at or discussed yet.
Tracey Snyder isnt allowed to do anything anymore, yet Dominic Moreno runs wild with the Citys money!
Everyone knows he is just using Commerce City as a stepping stone to get where he thinks he deserves to be. Its really pitiful!
Looks like Jason McEldowney will be backing Sumner in November!
Dominic Moreno was invited to the White House. Are you nuts?! That is not "running wild with city money, that is an honor!
Only a Tracey Snyder supporter would say something this stupid!
grass roots
David Stallsworth has served this community since I have lived here about ten years and he is part of the Grass Roots of this City.
If, I were Mayor,Wish List: I would ask Jerry Flannery to step down. I would sell the taxpayer's house or raffle it off. I would ask the City Attorney to retire with honors. I would ask to create a Board of Immigration to conduct a study group. I would have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with Parks and Recreation about the Northern Range. I would ask for a different Incentive Plan with Building and Impact Fees, non-negotiable and time limits on each new plan. I would ask that employment standards be kept at minimum wage or above with no undocumented workers using e-verify and Community Services which would cost about $50,000 to implement. I would ask for a state audit of Adams 14 SD and close down Adams City High School for a State Board of Education investigation. I would argue against any Medical marijuana stores and any Medical Waste facilities near or within city limits. (The Drug Cartels are already setting up shop here.) In other words, I would like to clean house in Commerce City. However, I would like to see other qualified citizens run for Mayor.
Estelle,
What would you "Board of Immigration" study and what action would they take?
estelle,
I would back you if you ran for mayor of commerce city. you seem like your thoughts and idea are inline with how the city is all about.
how do you raffle off a house?
I don't think we need to worry about any medical marijuana coming to Commerce City. The industry is well set up in the cities that accepted them in the beginning of the legalization. There is no incentive to go or leave where they are already established.
Part of Mayor Estelle Remington's wish list: "I would ask for a different Incentive Plan with Building and Impact Fees, non-negotiable and time limits on each new plan."
I am all for this! Great idea.
As far as the rest of the list, let's just say very interesting.
So Pro Casso,
Its an honor when Dominic gets invited to the White House, but when Tracey gets invited, she cant go? Does that sound fair to anyone out there? Thats exactly what happened. Tracey asked the Council if she could use her discresionary money to go and they said no. Dominic doesnt even ask, he just tells the Council he is going! And nobody says a word about it!
Yes, I would say 3 trips to DC in two months is a bit much for Dominic. And if the rules that seem to apply to Tracey dont apply to him, than there is something very wrong here!
So Councilman Bullock brought some porno material to a Council meeting? What in the world did we elect???
porno material to a Council meeting?!?
Now thats a party!
Were the porno material to a council meeting for some ED opportunity?
Thats right COMMERCE CITY COUNCIL - hang your dirty laundry out for everyone to see.
God I hate the leadership in this town! SO SAD SO VERY VERY SAD
Estelle,
You mention some admirable ideas, but you seem to forget. You have (1) one, vote. I know that some of the things you talked about have been supported (fought for or against) by people on the council.
But each has (1) one vote.
As far as Adams D 14. You have NO authority over the school districts.
So ideas abound as they have with many past council/mayors, but you still have only (1) one vote!!
Of course if you get on council, member or mayor, you must realize you will be to blame for all that goes on, or critized for all that doesn't!
"dirty laundry"
Because some on council have no class, doesn't mean all should be lumped together.
Sadly Bullock did bring porn mags to a study sesson (when he was on the council before) to "explain his actions while in Vegas"
Hopefully things have changed,
but "dirty laundry" you can't attribute this to the city itself.
Funny how some what transparency, while others dont want "dirty laundry"
Gotta laugh, cause you'll never keep all happy.
Not surprising to see Estelle's plan is mostly stuff she or Council would have no power to do. Ask the CM to step down - yes but you need 4 more members to side with you to force them to step down. City Attorney you cannot ask to do anything - they work for the City Manager and you cannot ask them to step down or fire them. You cannot have a "come to Jesus meeting" with Parks and Recreation - this is for the City manger to do (City Charter prohibits this). as for ACSD 14 - The Mayor of Commerce City has ABSOLUTELY NO SAY as to what the School Districts do - so basically it is left to your Panel on immigration. There you have it Folks, Estelle's Plan if she were Mayor - she forgot to read the City Charter first - more homework needed Estelle but keep trying.
I get the sense there is something going on in Commerce City that is not good.
Last night the bickering was out of control.
Political theatrics in Commerce City never surprise me. But it seems to never stop. I really hope in November we can get back to business and stop the squabbling.
your right on. Commerce City is a weak mayor style of government. Council has very little power. Daily operations are entirely handled by the city manager.
You want to change this, it would have to go to the voters as a charter change. Commerce City is not even close to anything like a strong mayor format type of government.
Bob Gehler, the Commerce City attorney is basically the founding father of Commerce City, NO ONE is asking him to do anything. He will retire on his own terms, when he is ready, BOTTOMLINE!
Meeting last night was interesting. too bad GN doesn't do highlight clips like they use too. Some great ones last night.
hey, I thought we had something called "Council Norms"? What happen to that?
Is it not the policy to criticize in private, praise in public?
thats right. everything is not going to plan. No economic development around civic center, no walmart in north, no sit down restaurants. no real hotels. ACSD 14 is not good. no boys and girls club. not business friendly, too many audits. All these things are going on, but no one wants to be a leader and step up to the plate. just blame the next guy.
We need to own our problems, we need to own our issues. are future depends on it. no more talk about north versus the south. no more council in-fighting. we need to stay on a positive path. It was said that no seniors from the north participate in the southern rec center. I hear people say that we are two cities with the arsenal as the barrier between us. We are not. we are one city. we are one commerce city. and we need to start acting this way.
Not sure what everyone is complaining about. Granted I did not see the meeting last night. I feel that things are going okay in Commerce City. Sure, it is not perfect. But Hell, it could be a lot worse.
Just calm down, everything will be okay.
GN, the body of the guy in southlawn was that of a 50 year old man. Most likely it was some sort of a heart attack. I think crime scene vehicle was there just as protocol.
Bullock was re-elected because word was spread for south cc residents NOT to vote for a 2nd person in the last election because it was the only way a south cc resident could win. I heard a similar movement is in the works for the coming election.
another reason this city will never be a regional competitor.
The older residents are happy and set in their way of life and don't welcome change even at the cost of failure. Most of their children have moved and started families in other cities so SD14 went to heck over the years. Over the years too many of them turned a blind eye as cc made lots of money and did nothing to improve the schools, roads or image. But once people began to move into the north and the developers made it a little more upscale and popular they've come out of the floor boards in an attempt to halt progress.
heard in the last election people were also telling south residents the city would bulldoze the trailer parks if someone from the north won the election...things like that scare me because it show shows a disrespect for our aging population attempting to take advantage of their diminished thought processes which we will all experience.
I'll support breaking away from cc
Estelle, David Stallsworth doesn't actually live in Commerce City. He lives across the street from the city boundary, He lives in the county.
This goes to my point that at least Commerce City should think about going to 2 reps per ward and get rid on the at large seats. It is only the real way to be fair to the entire city.
Rene was the only one that lived in the core part of the city.
All the rest of the at-large reps, including the mayor live in the north.
FYI, Estelle.
Bob Gaylor is under contract with the city council. He DOES NOT report to the city manager.
I would wager a bet that Flannery has a firing clause, Estelle that would pay him for a year or so, if let go (cause or no cause).
Yes the city charter does not allow for most of what Estelle's
"wish list" states.
It is correct, the mayor is one vote.
Just because she dreams it, or writes it doesn't make it true or possible.
Wait, I keep hearing that there is all this support in the north, yet we in the north do not get anything, we have no rec center, we have no real city parks, maybe one. we have no real push for business growth, we get not much of anything. Obviously, It does not matter where the at-large seats are living.
brings up good question,
does city staff push harder for economic development around the civic center/stadium and old dog track then economic development in the newlands?
absurd! City Staff does NOT pick favorites when it comes to ED!
hate to say it, but I agree with pro city,
CC staff cant be pushing harder for ED in certain area of city, because there is nothing going on around the new city hall.
There has been some development in n. range. So if anything I would say city staff is pushing harder for ED up here.
maybe that is why Estelle called it a "wish list"
Sort of seems like Estelle knows nothing - not even the basics of the City Charter but she wants to tell all the rest of us all about everything she knows about the inner workings of the City- only she doesn't even know the very basics - sort of brings everything she says in to question - RUN FOR MAYOR ESTELL - it sounds like you are well qualified.
I am more afraid of the "Board of Immigration" idea.
What is the purpose?
"Board of Immigration" is to study illegal aliens, I mean "undocumented people"?
THAT'S RIGHT GOP in CC,
PEOPLE, not objects but PEOPLE, FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS.
NO HUMAN BEING IS ILLEGAL!
I have come to the conclusion that Commerce City will always need a Democratic Mayor.
Marcus, why is that?
I can see some over the top republican get in charge. Get rid of Spanish city news, make English the official language. Do some radical things that would push this city back years and years.
ps-yes I am a very proud Democrat!
What we need in CC is a City Manager. A City manager that has an education in Public Administration. A City Manager that has experience running a City. A City Manager who has extensive experience and knowledge about Commerce City and the metro Area. NONE of the countless people in the City Manger's office have these qualifications. Hire a real, educated and experienced City Manager and many of the issues will be resolved - or at least we will be told the truth about what can and can't be fixed- I a so tired of the spin from City Hall - give us someone who will stop treating us like children and spoon feeding us what we want to hear. The point is who cares who is Mayor- we need a real City Manager - neither Jerry or Perry fit that bill. I remember when we had City Managers who were well qualified - ah the good old days.
I wish that Jason McEldowney was running for city council this fall because then I would have the opportunity to NOT vote for him. Watch who he supports because those are not people we should be voting for to be on city council. Remember the city managers house and the $72,000 that Flannery got for the loss on a house sale that actually was a house sold for a gain, that was McEldowney's idea. All McEldowney can do is talk, talk, talk around and around in circles. All he has ever actually done is waste huge like almost a million dollars of the taxpayer's money. What a big joke he turned out to be.
Mayor Paul Natale. Shame, shame, shame on you. Grow up and act like an adult or at least try. I watched Commerce City council last night and Brighton's City council tonight. Vastly different. Brighton does not have budget problems and they have tremendous development. But more than that, they have respect for everyone. Unlike you Natale. We are really sick of your snide, rude, disrespectful remarks. It just shows how shallow you really are. Quit being sarcastic, quit interupting people, and quit being such a nasty person. Take a self inventory and clean up your act.
In Commerce City the city council and mayor had to be told not to use their cell phones during council meetings. The opposite rule was made for the city staff because they were "working". Well could Flannery put down his phone long enough to at least look like he was paying attention during council meetings. We all know that Flannery does absolute NO work in any regard and has hired teams of overpriced people to do the work, but my goodness at least in the public eye on TV, pretend like you might care. Unbelievable. Hope you leave our city soon, can't be soon enough.
Marcus, the current mayor for CC is not a Democrat.
That is probably why some on the council fight him ALL the time.
Forgive me if I am a little shocked that the Commerce City mayor is a Republican.
GOP in CC,
Obviously you are not that big in the Republican party if you dont know Paul Natale is a Republican
It gas become more and more clear that Natale is not as smart as he thinks he is and that he really only cares about himself - or in other words a republican!
It isn't hard to read the "set up" blogs that are done by McIntyre.
I had her tell me once that she writes to get rumors started and her opionions out there.
Obviously she has a right to her opinions, I just don't like the sneaky way she does it.
not surprised to hear the anti-natale comments, I guess if you attack your fellow council members you should expect some backlash
Commerce City Council meeting had way too much Political Theatrics.
I am very tired of the party bashing that goes on in society as a whole.
Dems are anti business
Reps are anti people.
It is all b---s--t.
STOP putting people in boxes.
STOP repeating lies and generalities to try and make a lie appear true.
Dusty,
It would help me to know if you are a Republican or a Democrat. I just want to know if you are favoring a side for this site.
I am registered as a independent.
My belief is that every situation is unique... Sometimes a left approach is better, sometimes a right approach is better.
Just listened to council meeting from the past Monday night. If you do make sure you listen to the Admin business.....
I was glad to hear McEldowny bring some of the stuff forward.
Benson, Does, tell staff what and how to write ordinances. He has from the start. I remember one being given to the papers before the staff or council got it. Then he gave it to council and said they should vote (having never read or discussed it).
I also believe that there have been a number of unfair, non equal decisions made regarding members.
GOP in CC,
Why "shocked" about natale being a republican?
I think teter is too.
Not a real big benson fan, but I do like open citizen communication format as it was in the past.
Needs to be a 2 way conversation. Otherwise it is just like sending an email to them. What would be the point of coming all the way down to city council meeting?
dusty, did you vote for casso or hoopes last election?
Neither... I do not live in District 32.
BOR, I too miss the return comments during citizens communication.
Having said that, the one problem I have seen is that some council members have to comment on everything.
Then they have to comment on what other council members say. Then the others have to return that comment, on and on. I guess each one wants to make sure they chime in. Only the chime goes on for quite some time.
I can only imagine how long this portion will go on with the cameras now rolling.
Some of the old citizen communications portions would go for an hour or more. Imagine if you came for something before council!
Politians love to talk. The problem was never the citizens.
AMEN to that. Seriously good point. Politicians will talk just to hear themselves talk or doing something called GRAND STANDING!
I like the citizen communication format now. Council don't be afraid to keep it the way it is.
I don't think it is really putting people in boxes when it comes to political party.
I find it astonishing that someone could believe so strongly in one political mindset that they register as one party such as a republican and even run as one. Then all of a sudden just flip to another political mindset and then try to run as one!
Unreal!
Tells me they are not trustworthy, or are only in it for personal gains. either way it is bad for the democratic party.
Pro Casso, and yet YOU would Flip and vote for Hoopes.
Hmmmm some dem you are!!
You are just anti Snyder.
That's okay.
It has made me a Republican willing to support her with your constant bashing and rediculous support of Ed.
p.s. I am registered as a Rep. but never vote the line... I look at the person. Voted for Ed (was fooled once) and regret it every day!
Pro Casso,
I assume you are talking about Tracey Snyder.
You have no idea about who she is.
She has a heart of gold and a mindset that is well above Ed Casso.
Have you ever sat down and talked to Tracey Snyder. If not, you should and you would learn that she is not only good for the democratic party but good for the Colorado House of Representatives.
pro-casso,
you have made a grass roots movement so strong for tracey that it will be virtually impossible for your "golden boy" candidate to run.
I guess we all owe you a big thanks!
love the spirited HD 32 talk,
But I do not relish the idea of PHISH coming to Commerce City and thousands of people camping at the civic center. I wonder why this is not a bigger topic.
vikki,
You will find that phish concert goers are the most peaceful people on earth.
I saw the Kings map and was wondering what stores are going to be going in around it? Banks? Cell Phone Stores? Maybe a sit down restaurant?! MAYBE?!
I find it interesting that all the bad is blamed on the mayor. He is still only one vote. You all have the chance to change this in November. Vote in all new people. Try to remember why Shawn was not able to extend his rule. The city cannot afford to go back to the old ways of "who you know, and what you can get out of it" Remember the curb cuts for the liquor store.
I think mayor gets blamed because that is the one who is the head person. Is it fair? maybe not. people just need someone to blame when things are not going good.
Same as people blaming Obama for all US problems.
Mayor does get blamed for everything and yes only one vote. Actually not even that. He is only a tie breaker. But because the Mayor gets blamed for everything, I think a lot of people do not want to run for the position.
Lets face it, it is not a very good time being a politician these days.
Everyone is watching and there is too many ways to get instant information.
As for me. I like Paul and do believe he gets blamed for a lot of what the council does.
The whole Jerry thing was NOT paul's idea. If only you all knew how that all went down you would understand.
Interesting,
Why don't you educated us all of how it all went down.
I think we all would love to hear how it all went down.
I did say this was a Wish List! Board of Immigration would be to protect immigrants from being exploited and used as Indentured workers. (Gaylord and Western Stock Show.) Also, to find other resources of support that are not Federally and State supported taxes. Food Banks and Charitable organizations. Raffle off House, sell raffle tickets for drawing that way one can recover the thousands of free rental dollars for these past four years. It is done all the time. Mayor does have one vote but has the support of entire city behind them to bring out areas of concern to the public. Mayor serves on Adams 14 SD Advisory Board and any citizen can contact State of Colorado with educational concerns and ask to meet with them or contact via e-mail, which I have done many times. I have read the Charter many times over and I am happy to see others read it. Anyone can ask to talk to Parks and Recreation as a concerned citizen, which I have done, several times. I feel, because Reunion already has their Metro district parks and rec building and they should not be considered in future financial planning for the North. Bob Gehler is the Father of Commerce City but it is time to hand over the baton. We need new eyes on long-standing problems. As a citizen, I can say that! You all bring out a good point as each council representative only has one vote and that the other members can use that against each other. There is a total lack of respect among current members and that is why so few citizens want to run for office. You act like we have no say in how our City Council is run and we have all the say read your Charter about petitions and recalls. We can ask for a vote of Confidence for the City Manager and Attorney as well!
I would have to agree with the person who said that just because a few people on the City Council are not good, doesnt mean the rest are all bad. Yes, there are a few who are terrible, unfair and mean. And there are a few that are pretty good, work hard, and have done right by the people. Its like any job out there including our own. Some good employees, some not. And everyone has a bad day sometime- its just that our bad days are not televised! And arent we glad?!
Pro Casso,
I have to say that I agree totally that you, Ed Casso (if you are not him, and many think you are one and the same) and your groupies have made the way for Ms. Snyder easier. Everything she stands for is everything the two of you are not. She is fair, and will work hard. And you just keep on with bullying her because you think she will go away. She wont! And she shouldnt. We need new fresh blood in there. Not another Casso with a different face! Besides, Dominic would rather be in DC with his Georgetown buddies!
Has anyone thought to sit down with the mayor and ask those questions? I bet he will talk honestly, especially since he is term limited. I bet he has a lot of stories to tell.
Estelle it is not surprising that you now say it was a "Wish List" once it is made clear you don't know what you could or couldn't do as Mayor - your ignorance basically. you have no choice but to now say
I did say it was a wish list". Why not in the original post say "I know I wouldn't have the authority to do the following, but if I could - this is my wish list". You didn't do this though so now you are back pedaling which is a good start if you want to be a politician (that term doesn't really apply to City Council - they have very little power or authority and are non-partisan). Keep studying Estelle.
Dusty I had a political Science professor in college (I also went to Georgetown like Mr. Moreno) tell the class that "independent" is a nice way of saying confused.
I would say your Professor is right on.
Also heard a Professor from American University say being independent was only for those who are looking for attention...
Estelle,
I feel better about your Immigration Board. I do admit I was thinking you wanted to do something with the undocumented residents.
Cheo,
I appreciate your concern for the**illegal residents.
Yes I do mean illegal.
I understand and appreciate the flight to the US to better themselves.
I also believe that, they are doing an illegal thing.
Therefore the risk must be accepted if they are caught.
I might do the same thing to help my children (go to a better place to live), but all the while realize that I am in fact, doing something illegal
By the way nearly all other countries have much stiffer rules for entering their country. Also severe punishment for those who enter illegally. Mexico for instance, has very, very stiff rules. Getting a work permit there is nearly impossible.
Just food for thought.
TO ANONYMOUS FROM KATHY MCINTYRE - EDITOR OF THE GATEWAY NEWS - YOU SAID "It isn't hard to read the "set up" blogs that are done by McIntyre.
I had her tell me once that she writes to get rumors started and her opionions out there.
Obviously she has a right to her opinions, I just don't like the sneaky way she does it." WOULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH "SET UP" BLOGS. I AM RELATIVELY SURE I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO YOU AND AS EDITOR OF THE NEWSPAPER, I PUBLISH MY OPINIONS IN THE NEWSPAPER OR FRONT AND CENTER ON OUR WEBSITE, NOT ON THE BLOG. I AM PROUD OF MY OPINIONS. ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT THE GATEWAY NEWS, THE OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES ARE PRIVATE CITIZENS, NOT POLITICIANS SO PLEASE DO NOT CROSS LINES. POLITICIANS PUT THEMSELVES OUT FOR CRITICISM AND THE US SUPREME COURT STATES THAT POLITICIANS CANNOT CRY FOUL, BUT PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND CITIZENS CAN AND DO HAVE RIGHTS. LAST WARNING. ALSO THE GATEWAY NEWS ENJOYS THE RIGHTS OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.
Again I will say. NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL. We are talking about your fellow human being here. You need to have some empathy here. You need to have some heart.
Put yourself in the shoes of those who are less fortunate as you. Ask yourself, what would you do?
Natale had no right attacking the Gateway News on Monday during a public meeting. If he thinks the blog is trashy then he needs to stay off of it. Instead of reading the blog, maybe he should try and doing something different like working on getting some business down at victory crossings that has been sitting empty for the entire time he has been the mayor.
Or maybe he could work on answering the question of why he gave 72K to the city manager for a loss on a house that the city manager made money on. Did we all forget about that one?
Or maybe why did he think it was a good idea to give the 3 (yes 3) city managers car allowances that are the highest in the state.
Natale's time is up. Let's take a look back at what really got accomplished.
All I hear from council is that we are finally respected now. I ask you, respected by who?
Mr. Natale has many accomplishments during his time in office.
Name them Anonymous, Lets hear the laundry list.
Let me guess, CUMMINS, right?
dusty,
someone commented that the mayor might answer some questions now that he is term limited.
anyway you think he would answer some questions?
I think it is best if the Commerce City Council concentrate on the business of the city. Bringing up what happened in the past is not going to do anyone any good.
I am in agreement with pro-city.
cc is driven by a council that can not control their emotions and its all televised for the world to see. if I was a business and saw how this council operates, there would be no chance of me coming.
just saw something on IKEA. too bad Commerce City couldn't nab that one.
think the mayor was just having a bad day? I know there was post reporter saying commerce city was stinky. maybe he just had a bad day and it leaked into council meeting.
after all, he is still just human.
Commerce City did try very hard to get IKEA. It just wasn't in the cards.
Any news on the boys and girls club for Commerce City? I think a update is due soon.
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Aurora couldn't land Ikea either however soon as Aurora's newlands voted to separate and form it's own city - now known as Centennial; businesses were and is still lining up to get in.
When Centennial was part of Aurora the homeowners couldn't get parks and other recreation for their children either.
food for thought - just takes the vote of the people.
IKEA would have been great for Commerce City. But I think they wanted to be next to a major highway.
dkeys, you are right.
IKEA wanted to be off I-25 either north or south end.
IKEA boss mentioned next location in Colo. would most likely be North end of I-25...maybe near Erie.
Centennial was never in the city of Aurora.
Maybe their mailing adddress, but never in the city limits.
They incorporated to become a city.
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